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Episode 108

Decker, Local Rock Station Music Director, Skipped Slash for Russian River Brewing

Razor 94.7 104.7 music director, Decker, stops by to share his love for craft beer, music, and the story involving Slash and Russian River Brewing.

Follow Decker on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/deckeronair/

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CHAPTERS

00:00 Welcome to Respecting the Beer!

01:46 Decker's Origin Story

04:39 Beer as a Music Soundtrack

06:20 Local Music Beer Collab Idea

07:54 Minnesota Beer Hot Takes

10:52 Taste Is Personal Science

13:00 Big Mergers Ruin Brands

16:26 Appleton Culture and Growth

19:54 What to Order First

22:33 Bands Touring and Brewery Stops

25:45 Homebrewing First Mistakes

27:10 Skipping Slash for Russian River Brewing

31:16 Collab Ideas and Beer Law

34:35 Metal Talk Meets Brewing Legends

38:39 Sour Beer Science

42:02 Death Row Beer Flight

46:01 Support us on Patreon!

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CREDITS

Hosts:

Bobby Fleshman - https://www.mcfleshmans.com/

Allison Fleshman -https://www.instagram.com/mcfleshmans/

Joel Hermansen

Gary Ardnt - https://everything-everywhere.com/everything-everywhere-daily-podcast/

Music by Sarah Lynn Huss - https://www.facebook.com/kevin.huss.52/

Recorded & Produced by David Kalsow - https://davidkalsow.com/

Brought to you by McFleshman's Brewing Co

Transcript
Gary Arndt:

Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Respecting the Beer.

Gary Arndt:

My name is Gary Arndt.

Gary Arndt:

With me again today is the Good Doctor and I I thought of you this week.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Oh boy.

Gary Arndt:

Because I was taking boxes outta storage that I put away 19 years ago.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Wow.

Gary Arndt:

And all my chemistry textbooks were in it.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Hey,

Gary Arndt:

my inorganic chemistry and my organic chemistry.

Gary Arndt:

Oh, gosh.

Gary Arndt:

And, and all my other stuff.

Gary Arndt:

I haven't even looked at 'em.

Allison Fleshmsn:

That's exciting.

Gary Arndt:

I, I am assuming it's all still valid.

Allison Fleshmsn:

I think so.

Gary Arndt:

There's no new Nope.

Gary Arndt:

Chemistry that they've come up with.

Gary Arndt:

Okay.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Nope.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Well, I hope not.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Go team

Gary Arndt:

Also again, as usual, brewer extraordinaire.

Gary Arndt:

Robert Fleshman.

Gary Arndt:

This is like the Colbert Report report, actually he was known as Steve Colbert.

Gary Arndt:

That's right.

Gary Arndt:

Growing up

Bobby Fleshman:

I

Gary Arndt:

did.

Gary Arndt:

And then, uh, with this is a man who's suffered extreme disability in his life because his parents never gave him a last name.

Gary Arndt:

He is the music director for WZOR and WAPL, the Rock and apple.

Gary Arndt:

Decker.

Decker:

Hello, yes, my parents forgot to gimme a last name when they wrote it down on the, uh, the birth certificate.

Decker:

And so since then, just one word, two s, you know

Gary Arndt:

that teller of Penn and Teller actually got his legal name changed to just Teller.

Decker:

That's commitment.

Gary Arndt:

Wow.

Gary Arndt:

Like the state of Nevada and his license, his driver's license is Teller.

Decker:

Well imagine pulling him over and like be, he like hands you a, his driver's license has got like a real name on it and you're like, okay, this is obviously fake.

Decker:

He goes to jail right away.

Gary Arndt:

I was always thinking of getting a, a customized license plate that said B-L-A-N-K.

Decker:

Hmm.

Gary Arndt:

That when they call it, it's like the license is blank.

Gary Arndt:

But anyways, we are not here to talk about radio last names or mono nims.

Gary Arndt:

We're here to talk about beer and you are a craft beer enthusiast.

Gary Arndt:

So why don't you give us your story about how you.

Gary Arndt:

Got started in beer.

Decker:

Sure, yeah.

Decker:

Uh, I was a, uh, a fledgling radio guy up in a small town of northern Minnesota called Bemidji.

Decker:

It is the headwaters of the Mississippi been there.

Decker:

Yeah, Paul Bunion.

Decker:

Birthplace.

Decker:

Like Atca.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

And uh, they had a, uh, a brewery that opened up and I had dabbled in like the, uh, you know, the bells too hearted and had tried that and, you know, it was a $5 pint at a bar and it was like, oh cool, this has got more alcohol in it.

Decker:

I like that.

Decker:

And uh, then one day I got sent over to Bemidji Brewing Company and they were like, Hey, we got this new beer, it's called a Summer IPA.

Decker:

And I was like, okay, cool.

Decker:

For sure, whatever.

Decker:

I'll drink it.

Decker:

Drank it.

Decker:

And like by halfway through the the cup, I was like, this is life changing for me.

Decker:

I had experienced IPAs before.

Decker:

I was like, oh yeah, I always wake up the next day with a pine tree coming outta my face and now this is something totally different.

Decker:

Is there more stuff like this?

Decker:

And, uh, turns out there.

Decker:

And, um, I became really good friends with the guy at the liquor store and he started bringing in a bunch of stuff that I was like, I've never heard this before, never tried this before, but I am here for it.

Decker:

And I just started exploring and I couldn't travel a lot when I was younger, but I could certainly travel through beer and that's what I did.

Decker:

So I discovered a whole lot of lands I've never been to and some that I've been to since.

Decker:

That's how I got into it.

Bobby Fleshman:

Allison, do you realize we're outnumbered radio voices?

Bobby Fleshman:

Well, I was speaking that earlier, equally numbered earlier.

Allison Fleshmsn:

I think Gary introduced us.

Allison Fleshmsn:

I was like, wow, we're surrounded by people that sound better than we are.

Gary Arndt:

No one ever commented on my voice until I started doing podcasting.

Gary Arndt:

Never.

Gary Arndt:

And now they recognize you buy it.

Gary Arndt:

Really?

Gary Arndt:

It's because that's the environment they hear it in.

Gary Arndt:

Mm-hmm.

Gary Arndt:

And so they say, oh, you have a voice for that.

Gary Arndt:

It's like, oh, no one thought that before.

Bobby Fleshman:

Right.

Allison Fleshmsn:

I like that.

Allison Fleshmsn:

What you said about, uh, traveling through beer Bobby and I were talking about just today, the um, Sam Smith Brewing Company.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Uh, oatmeal Stout.

Allison Fleshmsn:

So Sam Smith Oatmeal Stout Oh yeah.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Is a favorite amongst the Grateful Dead drinkers.

Bobby Fleshman:

So I was just today talking with, uh, a sales rep for Merchant Vin, who represents, uh, Sam Smith and I, I think they many

Allison Fleshmsn:

other

Bobby Fleshman:

imports broke for, and at the time, maybe ve Yeah.

Bobby Fleshman:

Anyway, millions of, but she was talking about, 'cause now she lives in Broomfield, which is just east of Boulder, that anytime they have like a Grateful Dead, uh, thing happen and all the Deadheads descend on Boulder that she has to bring a pallet of this, uh, oatmeal, St.

Bobby Fleshman:

Stout oatmeal from Samuels

Allison Fleshmsn:

of all beers.

Allison Fleshmsn:

I know the Venn diagram for Joel and Grateful Dead and the oatmeal stout, they normally don't overlap in the way you'd think.

Bobby Fleshman:

So it's a link between Allison and, and Joel.

Allison Fleshmsn:

I know.

Bobby Fleshman:

Yeah.

Bobby Fleshman:

That was surprising.

Allison Fleshmsn:

So I'm curious, so the music that you play on the radio station, um, do you find, like, when you're drinking a beer, is there like a soundtrack that goes with these beers?

Allison Fleshmsn:

Yeah.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Yeah.

Allison Fleshmsn:

I go for it.

Decker:

Absolutely.

Decker:

That's one of my favorite things is that you know, music has been a big passion of mine since like, growing up.

Decker:

My, I remember the first time I heard Black Dog, it was in my mom's Ford Wind star on the way to my dad's shop.

Decker:

And it changed my life from there.

Decker:

And, um, it was, so whenever I drink a beer, I can kind of hear a song that goes along with it and you know, when you go to festivals and stuff, you see, the band's live and you obviously you're drinking beers when you're going to a festival 'cause you're outside.

Decker:

Mm-hmm.

Decker:

And you gotta have something going on.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

And I always budget friendly wise, you know, sometimes you find stuff that's a little expensive, but there's.

Decker:

There, you know, there's certain music that goes with certain beers and beer styles.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

There and like Right.

Decker:

I'm a metal guy, so Razor we play the modern rock, the heavy stuff.

Decker:

We were talking about Mastodon before.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

And they're, I've interviewed 'em a couple of times and when I talked to 'em, they have their own branded beers that they did with, uh, one of the breweries down in Georgia.

Allison Fleshmsn:

I'm assuming it's not like a Berliner Vice, like, as a light and fruity type of

Decker:

thing, you would think.

Decker:

But it's actually like one of the bases, Troy, his favorite beer is a summer Shandy.

Decker:

Oh, that's funny.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

And so they made a Rattler out of, um, for one of their signatures.

Decker:

And then Yes, they do have like the one of their albums is all about v so Moby Dick.

Decker:

So they've got like the deep dark stout Yeah.

Decker:

And stuff.

Decker:

Um,

Allison Fleshmsn:

yeah.

Allison Fleshmsn:

I would, I would think metal would be like heavy, like barrel age,

Bobby Fleshman:

isn't it?

Bobby Fleshman:

Isn't it mega death that one of them can, like

Decker:

two Daymond, they do it with the, uh, uni brew.

Gary Arndt:

They

Gary Arndt:

have

Bobby Fleshman:

a

Gary Arndt:

whi with

Bobby Fleshman:

them.

Gary Arndt:

Gary Idea Uhoh.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Oh boy.

Bobby Fleshman:

Oh boy.

Gary Arndt:

You contact the big names at Milo Music.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Oh, yep.

Gary Arndt:

Work out a deal.

Gary Arndt:

Yeah.

Gary Arndt:

Make custom label beers for him.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Yep.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Here

Bobby Fleshman:

we go.

Bobby Fleshman:

Gary Idea.

Allison Fleshmsn:

And Gary Idea Because we do it now because we are nine months away from Mile.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Yeah, my God.

Allison Fleshmsn:

The hell in nine months.

Gary Arndt:

I mean, even if it's a limited run where you just put a different label on something, they could probably sell it as a premium to their fans and people would then collect the cans or something.

Bobby Fleshman:

All right, Gary, it's on the paper now.

Bobby Fleshman:

I I

Allison Fleshmsn:

I

Decker:

love that idea.

Decker:

Yeah, because the local music scene here in Appleton and like a local brewery that is the flavor of the town right there.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

What music you hear, what beverages you like, food, everything that goes into what we consume as people that can be local.

Decker:

That is such an important part of, uh, of being around, I think.

Decker:

Like, so I love that.

Decker:

And that's why like I got invited here and you guys are like, why are you here?

Decker:

Really?

Decker:

Like

Allison Fleshmsn:

I said that nicely.

Allison Fleshmsn:

I hope.

Allison Fleshmsn:

I was like, why are you here?

Decker:

It, it wasn't like, yeah, it was fine.

Decker:

Uh, but like I

Allison Fleshmsn:

realizing how that sounded

Decker:

to be a part of something like in the community.

Decker:

I think that's important for a brewery to do that.

Decker:

Otherwise you're just like a, a place that also sells beer.

Decker:

Like it is just a, that you can walk into.

Decker:

But this like feels like Appleton in here.

Decker:

And so I think you guys do a really great job with that, especially with the festival we got not to

Gary Arndt:

10 artists,

Decker:

a

Gary Arndt:

hundred cans each.

Gary Arndt:

I love it.

Gary Arndt:

Limited edition.

Gary Arndt:

Numbered.

Gary Arndt:

Oh my God.

Gary Arndt:

We've already taken, collect people the next level.

Gary Arndt:

Oh my gosh.

Gary Arndt:

Okay.

Gary Arndt:

Then you sell 'em at a premium.

Gary Arndt:

Right?

Gary Arndt:

Right.

Gary Arndt:

Uh, are you from Minnesota?

Decker:

No, I'm actually from Appleton.

Gary Arndt:

So while you were in Minnesota, because I lived there for many years,

Decker:

we're in Minnesota,

Gary Arndt:

uh, twin Cities.

Gary Arndt:

I went to school there and I lived there.

Gary Arndt:

Sure.

Gary Arndt:

Uh, did you try grain belt, which I think is, oh my god.

Gary Arndt:

The quintessential Minnesota beer.

Gary Arndt:

And

Decker:

that's,

Gary Arndt:

uh,

Bobby Fleshman:

August.

Bobby Fleshman:

She,

Decker:

no,

Gary Arndt:

that's own thing now.

Gary Arndt:

That's might be,

Decker:

um,

Gary Arndt:

uh, no, it got bought and several times I think.

Gary Arndt:

Gotcha.

Decker:

Yeah.

Gary Arndt:

But it's still, it's the oldest beer in the state.

Gary Arndt:

The grain belt sign, like on Hennepin is kind of the, I dunno how long it's been there forever.

Gary Arndt:

It's the thirties or forties and

Decker:

I'm about to make people from Minnesota really sad.

Decker:

And I'm sorry, do you like rain belt

Allison Fleshmsn:

Uhoh?

Gary Arndt:

I have an affinity for it.

Decker:

Okay.

Decker:

Do you like northeast?

Gary Arndt:

No.

Gary Arndt:

Uh, like the, the area?

Decker:

No, no, no.

Decker:

The beer that they also made.

Decker:

Norty.

Decker:

Oh, I've never had it.

Decker:

Okay.

Decker:

Because those two beers, and I'm really sorry, I have to say this are like the worst beers I've ever had in my life.

Decker:

Oh, I am.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Maybe they just did something at one time.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Maybe

Decker:

they're clear bottles.

Decker:

So maybe everyone that I had with Skunk, I'll blame it on that though.

Decker:

Clear bottles.

Decker:

Yeah.

Gary Arndt:

Brain Belt is a very light beer.

Gary Arndt:

One

Allison Fleshmsn:

trans two non anol.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Is

Decker:

that what it is?

Decker:

It's

Gary Arndt:

sweet.

Decker:

No.

Decker:

Yeah, I was gonna say it's sweet and I think that's what throws me off is like, you, you crack it open and it's so sugary.

Gary Arndt:

I can think of nothing you make that's close to grain belt.

Decker:

I don't even know

Decker:

what,

Bobby Fleshman:

I don't even be know.

Bobby Fleshman:

Yeah.

Bobby Fleshman:

What it is.

Bobby Fleshman:

I, ooh,

Gary Arndt:

I think glad that it would probably be classified as a light lagger.

Bobby Fleshman:

I'm glad that it's not made by August Shell.

Bobby Fleshman:

'cause I, I'm, I seem to be kind of a fan of late of August Shell on their Bach beers, and I have yet to have any of them and just like their whole story.

Bobby Fleshman:

Yeah.

Decker:

Their box are good.

Bobby Fleshman:

Yeah,

Decker:

I'll say that.

Decker:

But yeah, grain belt was when I moved to Minnesota.

Decker:

No, August.

Gary Arndt:

Shell does make it.

Bobby Fleshman:

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

Bobby Fleshman:

So, okay.

Bobby Fleshman:

There we go.

Bobby Fleshman:

We're gonna have to get some of this know.

Bobby Fleshman:

Yeah.

Bobby Fleshman:

Well clear bottles is not a good idea.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Clear bottles.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Yeah.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Bless their hearts.

Bobby Fleshman:

What?

Decker:

I mean, I'm sure they try really hard, but

Allison Fleshmsn:

Yeah.

Allison Fleshmsn:

But, and it's made with love.

Decker:

It's really sweet.

Decker:

There's a sweet that is

Allison Fleshmsn:

hot.

Allison Fleshmsn:

This is the same thing that happens with oh gosh, why am I blanking?

Allison Fleshmsn:

Newcastle.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Newcastle has a round sweetness to it.

Allison Fleshmsn:

And

Bobby Fleshman:

it's a clear bottle

Allison Fleshmsn:

and it's a clear bottle and there's something about it.

Allison Fleshmsn:

And it's not just Dal, it's like extra

Bobby Fleshman:

oxidation can, can come off as sweet.

Bobby Fleshman:

So that's another animal.

Allison Fleshmsn:

But how would it be oxidized if it's just light struck?

Bobby Fleshman:

Yeah, yeah.

Bobby Fleshman:

This is, we're gonna have to get some of these in sample.

Bobby Fleshman:

We're gonna have to do

Allison Fleshmsn:

diagnosis.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Oh, Gary, we can use your chemistry textbooks.

Allison Fleshmsn:

'cause chemistry hasn't changed.

Bobby Fleshman:

Oh yeah.

Bobby Fleshman:

Gary, was that during the recording that you talked about your chemistry textbooks?

Bobby Fleshman:

Yeah.

Bobby Fleshman:

Okay.

Bobby Fleshman:

So.

Bobby Fleshman:

Uh, it was not during the recording.

Bobby Fleshman:

It was

Allison Fleshmsn:

before Yes.

Bobby Fleshman:

Was.

Bobby Fleshman:

Nevermind,

Allison Fleshmsn:

because I'm just arbitrarily gonna just say, Gary, you have chemistry textbooks.

Gary Arndt:

Yeah.

Gary Arndt:

I can dig around my textbooks or ask the chemistry professor.

Gary Arndt:

Right?

Gary Arndt:

There you go.

Gary Arndt:

Right.

Gary Arndt:

We got check GPT sitting here, so, oh, man.

Gary Arndt:

All right.

Gary Arndt:

Where are we at?

Gary Arndt:

Back on track.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Go team.

Allison Fleshmsn:

All right.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Music is a soundtrack.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Yes.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Music

Decker:

is a soundtrack.

Decker:

So, and it goes so well with flavors and I think you know it, you're a scientist and so beer is a lot of science.

Decker:

Yes.

Decker:

Right.

Decker:

All the chemistry that goes into the microorganisms.

Decker:

Although things all think

Allison Fleshmsn:

that there's a perfect recipe and or a perfect, like as talking with a colleague at one point and they were asking if we could take some data on a beer to decide whether or not it's good.

Allison Fleshmsn:

And I was, I didn't even know how to respond.

Allison Fleshmsn:

'cause you could, you know, you can look for, um, you know, contaminants and things, but to what, define what is good.

Allison Fleshmsn:

That's a personal endeavor.

Bobby Fleshman:

It's like following Rotten tomato on the critic's reviews.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Yeah.

Allison Fleshmsn:

That's not I, you like what you like and that, oh God, what is it?

Allison Fleshmsn:

Um, that taste is the most honest you can ever be with yourself.

Allison Fleshmsn:

I think music is the same.

Bobby Fleshman:

Exactly

Allison Fleshmsn:

the same.

Allison Fleshmsn:

And, yeah, because like, you either like it or you don't.

Allison Fleshmsn:

I found out that someone was listening to a song that I was like, oh, that's really cool.

Allison Fleshmsn:

And then I didn't know that it was actually a song that I originally knew.

Allison Fleshmsn:

And I was like, oh my God, that's amazing.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Because I knew it and I liked it.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Yay.

Decker:

But the, as you were saying, you can't do science to prove that this beer is good.

Decker:

No, because it just, like, you can't use science to decide if this song is good because the, like, I like songs.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Well, you came a little bit to, if it's out of tune,

Decker:

there's some like, objective things that you can, you can look at.

Decker:

But then there's also a lot of music that is out of tune that people are like intentional.

Decker:

So amazing.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Yeah,

Decker:

like, like disjointed and Yeah, you kind of find.

Decker:

Like, you can find a groove in the, the brokenness of it.

Decker:

Mm-hmm.

Decker:

That's, and now like, what is a good song?

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

What it's, it is all taste.

Allison Fleshmsn:

This reminds me of Rolling Rock when they, oh, God made the mistake, God, like they're green bottled make you line tanks of

Gary Arndt:

hold a tro.

Gary Arndt:

We tender this premium beer for your enjoyment.

Gary Arndt:

No.

Gary Arndt:

As a tribute to your good taste.

Allison Fleshmsn:

But they tried to,

Gary Arndt:

I forget what the whole thing is, but

Allison Fleshmsn:

they tried to fix the mistake.

Allison Fleshmsn:

This is why at the end, it's, and then sales tanked.

Bobby Fleshman:

This is why Gary's your phone a friend, if ever you

Allison Fleshmsn:

end up Jeffrey.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Oh my

Gary Arndt:

gosh.

Gary Arndt:

I was gonna say, as soon as he started saying it, I just saw the back of the Rolling Rock bottle.

Gary Arndt:

I've told you I've been a phone friend.

Gary Arndt:

I know.

Gary Arndt:

Yeah.

Gary Arndt:

But I never got used.

Bobby Fleshman:

Yeah.

Bobby Fleshman:

Which

Allison Fleshmsn:

is dumb.

Allison Fleshmsn:

You was, oh my gosh.

Gary Arndt:

No, she died like two questions in

Allison Fleshmsn:

Oh, bless her heart.

Allison Fleshmsn:

She

Decker:

hide,

Bobby Fleshman:

died.

Bobby Fleshman:

It got

Allison Fleshmsn:

as

Bobby Fleshman:

far as trivial concerned.

Bobby Fleshman:

Uh, the Rolling Rock story though, that was an AB purchase, AB B InBev, they bought them and fixed them.

Bobby Fleshman:

Quote, fixed.

Bobby Fleshman:

They removed the corn flavor.

Bobby Fleshman:

And that bombed real bad.

Bobby Fleshman:

So they had to go back and put the corn plate.

Bobby Fleshman:

Rebecca, I, we

Gary Arndt:

never talked about it explicitly on this show, but I did an episode of my podcast on the Schlitz Mistake.

Bobby Fleshman:

Yeah.

Bobby Fleshman:

Yep.

Gary Arndt:

How they purposefully tanked their beer in the seventies, like they lost the lead.

Gary Arndt:

They were the biggest beer in the world.

Gary Arndt:

Then the fifties, they lost it to Budweiser because of a strike.

Gary Arndt:

And then the CEO was like, well, we can't be the biggest, so let's just make a lot of money and profits.

Gary Arndt:

And so they cut back on everything.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Oh man.

Gary Arndt:

And everyone noticed.

Gary Arndt:

Mm-hmm.

Gary Arndt:

And they just tanked and eventually went outta business.

Gary Arndt:

Boom.

Gary Arndt:

And you see this over and over and over.

Gary Arndt:

Have you ever, you always hear about these big mergers, like these big corporate mergers, you know, multi-billion dollars.

Gary Arndt:

Oh yeah.

Gary Arndt:

Yeah.

Gary Arndt:

They never work.

Decker:

No,

Gary Arndt:

they never work.

Gary Arndt:

No.

Gary Arndt:

These big entertainment companies, that's just, they.

Gary Arndt:

And when you see these things, like even with, you know, big breweries buying something, you know, you know what the playbook's gonna be.

Gary Arndt:

They're gonna bring it in house to their other brewery to make it, you know, and save money and stuff.

Gary Arndt:

And usually they're gonna change something or cut corners and it's gonna destroy the very thing that they bought.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

The conglomeration of literally anything from media to like brands and beers and food and everything.

Decker:

It's just made everything so monotonous.

Decker:

Right.

Decker:

That like it's when you do have something different mm-hmm.

Decker:

Then people are like, you like clinging to it.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

But then as soon as it gets so popular, because it's different then the PE big people with a lot of money come in and they're like, I need that then for my brand.

Decker:

And then it gets sucked up into,

Bobby Fleshman:

yeah.

Bobby Fleshman:

And it's really hard to blame the people that create those small brands when they get offered three X their value and more,

Allison Fleshmsn:

because that would pay a lot of bills.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Yeah.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Um, but I also, I think it goes back to what Decker mentioned about how Appleton has a strong local scene, local music, local food, local beer.

Allison Fleshmsn:

I think that's something that's missing in a lot of places is just a connect, a connective culture.

Allison Fleshmsn:

And I think that's one of the things that is I don't know.

Allison Fleshmsn:

It's, it's nice to just con be reminded of the culture that comes from just, I don't know, sitting down, having a pint with new friends, old friends.

Allison Fleshmsn:

And that, I don't know, connectivity that's not for sale I guess, although I guess it is here.

Allison Fleshmsn:

'cause we sell beer in conversation.

Decker:

You sell conversation.

Decker:

Do you sell cards?

Decker:

Ask this person this.

Decker:

Oh, we should,

Allison Fleshmsn:

we should

Bobby Fleshman:

actually sell conversation.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Oh my god.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Conversation cards.

Allison Fleshmsn:

There we

Bobby Fleshman:

go.

Decker:

Um, but it is important to have places like this, especially in the world where as connected as we are, like, we're so disconnected from everyone.

Decker:

Right.

Decker:

And like to be able to sit down and, I mean, I've never met three fourths of the people that are on this table right now.

Decker:

And we're able to have a conversation because we have a mutual love of delicious beers.

Decker:

Mm-hmm.

Bobby Fleshman:

And I've mentioned this on every other.

Bobby Fleshman:

Uh, podcast we've recorded, but when we built this, I threatened to put chicken wire in the, this place.

Bobby Fleshman:

Oh my God.

Bobby Fleshman:

The walls of this place to keep people off their phone.

Bobby Fleshman:

There's another trick too.

Bobby Fleshman:

You can buy, uh, beer glasses that have a, a notch cut out of 'em, uh, so that they'll fall over if you don't use your phone to hold the glass up.

Bobby Fleshman:

Wow.

Bobby Fleshman:

So there's another That was

Allison Fleshmsn:

a hard No.

Bobby Fleshman:

Yes.

Bobby Fleshman:

The

Decker:

glare that you're getting just talking about.

Decker:

That's amazing.

Allison Fleshmsn:

It's, yes, really just because, I mean, after two or three, so you lose your phone and you forget to put it down on the right spot.

Bobby Fleshman:

Yeah.

Allison Fleshmsn:

But

Decker:

a lot of broken glasses probably too.

Decker:

Right?

Decker:

That's a lot of right.

Decker:

Costs.

Decker:

I'm, you gotta especially order 'em.

Bobby Fleshman:

We're gonna be talking, it seems like a lot about the analogies between music and beer.

Bobby Fleshman:

Again, it was inevitable.

Decker:

Yeah.

Bobby Fleshman:

The fact that we now have how many breweries within five miles of where we're sitting, I, it's gotta be a dozen.

Bobby Fleshman:

I haven't done the exact more

Allison Fleshmsn:

than 10

Bobby Fleshman:

math, but.

Bobby Fleshman:

Yeah.

Bobby Fleshman:

I, I think that might parallel what Appleton's doing music wise too, with Milo music and, and all that.

Bobby Fleshman:

There's just a lot of creative energy here and, and appreciation for it.

Bobby Fleshman:

Yeah.

Bobby Fleshman:

Overall.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

Lawrence has always been, I mean, the university, it's a music university.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

When I was growing up, I was in orchestra and so I was always doing concerts there, going to shows there.

Decker:

Mm-hmm.

Decker:

And there was always like an underlying like murmur of like, we're about to, like, everyone's about to get away from just doing paper mills and machine shops and stuff like that.

Decker:

And we're gonna make this town artsy.

Decker:

And you guys are transplants from outta town.

Decker:

So before, like, I went to college, you know, this place was really gray downtown.

Decker:

It was really gray.

Decker:

It was a lot of like, it was all the bars.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

But there was no like art on the wall, like the murals, the guys got downstairs or even like at the beginning of downtown, there was none of that.

Decker:

Wow.

Bobby Fleshman:

And the city even pushed back against people doing mural.

Bobby Fleshman:

They sure did.

Bobby Fleshman:

They initially,

Allison Fleshmsn:

well that was Wilmer's fault, the chocolate.

Bobby Fleshman:

Oh, the Wil where it looks like the kid slapping the other kid.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Yeah.

Allison Fleshmsn:

It's always Constantine.

Allison Fleshmsn:

We love Wilmer's.

Allison Fleshmsn:

It's such best chocolate ever.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Just saying,

Bobby Fleshman:

use your best judgment as a business.

Gary Arndt:

Did you see the wash, uh, wall Street Journal article about Appleton last week?

Gary Arndt:

No.

Allison Fleshmsn:

No.

Allison Fleshmsn:

What

Decker:

did they say?

Decker:

It's the trunk

Allison Fleshmsn:

of city America's.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Americans are looking to the Midwest to find affordability.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Really?

Allison Fleshmsn:

I don't

Gary Arndt:

know if they're looking, they interview write Apple.

Gary Arndt:

Some

Allison Fleshmsn:

people

Gary Arndt:

it's all about Appleton.

Gary Arndt:

Hmm.

Gary Arndt:

Wow.

Gary Arndt:

And, uh, some people like moved from LA and like.

Gary Arndt:

They got a house that was twice the size and half the cost of what they were paying for in California.

Gary Arndt:

Yep.

Bobby Fleshman:

Does it roll that ball more and faster if we back it up by telling them this is the drunkest city or I don't know like how that's, because

Allison Fleshmsn:

it's does the per capita of Appleton and we're really the Fox City, so it's really a much bigger metropolitan area.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Oh, I know.

Bobby Fleshman:

They got close to number one

Allison Fleshmsn:

and then they lean in.

Allison Fleshmsn:

It's because they, they can't do math.

Allison Fleshmsn:

That's true.

Allison Fleshmsn:

That's where that comes

Decker:

from.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

If they should just, they should just combine us in Green Bay and then we're like the biggest metro area outside of Milwaukee.

Decker:

Right.

Decker:

And then like then we're really, we cooking and like the media conglomeration though Green Bay is its own market because of the football team.

Decker:

No Bay though.

Decker:

Well now it might be Oshkosh to

Gary Arndt:

Green Bay is one thing.

Decker:

Is it?

Decker:

Wow.

Decker:

That must be, that's new

Allison Fleshmsn:

then.

Allison Fleshmsn:

We can't be

Decker:

the drunkest

Allison Fleshmsn:

city.

Decker:

We're the Drunkest I 41 corridor that they got in this country.

Gary Arndt:

I don't think Proud Green Bay are bringing the average down that much.

Decker:

No, they're not helping, that's

Bobby Fleshman:

for sure.

Bobby Fleshman:

Didn't we move away from redneck country?

Bobby Fleshman:

This feels like we did in a way.

Bobby Fleshman:

I thought we did.

Bobby Fleshman:

We had never left Oklahoma.

Bobby Fleshman:

It's see if, but it's the opposite.

Bobby Fleshman:

Everything's.

Bobby Fleshman:

But no.

Bobby Fleshman:

Anyway, I'm not trying to talk down.

Bobby Fleshman:

I'm No, I, we're leaning into the culture here.

Bobby Fleshman:

It's a very

Decker:

different type of redneck.

Bobby Fleshman:

Yes.

Decker:

Very, very different.

Decker:

But you are helping the culture.

Decker:

They we're spinning out of this, spinning out of it.

Decker:

We're your own

Gary Arndt:

redneck must

Decker:

do it by adding your own flare of the, the redneck art, you know?

Decker:

And so everyone needs a little redneck art, whether you think so or not.

Decker:

And, um, you know, Appleton has definitely, it's turned the corner.

Decker:

It's gotten more, it's leaned more into its artsy roots.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

And, um, it is really cool.

Decker:

Like that mile has gotten so big

Allison Fleshmsn:

miles big, a

Decker:

lot people, riverfest people

Bobby Fleshman:

have lived in Nashville compared it to like being a mini Nashville.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Yeah.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Well, and now the new Trout, uh, trout Museum of Art Building just opened up and we've got like, uh, I mean, there's just more, there's things to do mm-hmm.

Allison Fleshmsn:

In addition to places to go.

Bobby Fleshman:

Heck yeah.

Allison Fleshmsn:

So anyway, actually I have a question on, uh.

Allison Fleshmsn:

So Decker questions?

Allison Fleshmsn:

Yes.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Okay.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Okay.

Allison Fleshmsn:

So if music mm-hmm.

Allison Fleshmsn:

And beer kind of intertwine, um, can you take me and you, you are beer.

Allison Fleshmsn:

So what did you say before?

Allison Fleshmsn:

Traveling through beer.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Mm-hmm.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Um, what if you had to go to a brewery?

Allison Fleshmsn:

So brand new brewery go.

Allison Fleshmsn:

What do you order first?

Decker:

Ooh, when I go to it depends what's on the menu.

Decker:

Um, if they've got.

Decker:

You know, I'm a I'm an IPA guy.

Decker:

That's where like I really lean into, but if I see a cison ooh, or a whit beer on the menu, I'm gonna get that.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Cool.

Decker:

And then we'll see if those are good.

Decker:

Then I'll venture off into the other, other worlds.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

I'm not much of a a a, like a big barrel stout type of guy 'cause I fall asleep very easily.

Decker:

Cool.

Decker:

After having the heavy ones.

Decker:

Yes.

Decker:

I had your triple yesterday and I fell asleep on the couch, so thanks for that.

Decker:

Oh,

Bobby Fleshman:

the Belgian?

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

Nice.

Decker:

I haven't even had the triple 10.2%.

Decker:

That was uh,

Bobby Fleshman:

nice.

Decker:

You should,

Allison Fleshmsn:

I want to.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

It, oh, you've had

Bobby Fleshman:

it just not this

Allison Fleshmsn:

bad, not this batch.

Allison Fleshmsn:

That's fair.

Decker:

You should keep it on tap or something.

Decker:

'cause anyways, more taps, more

Bobby Fleshman:

handles.

Decker:

If I'm going to a brewery and it's new and um, I try to like, 'cause I'm a nerd, I like to know things before I go in.

Decker:

Otherwise I am.

Decker:

Anxious and I don't know what I'm doing and I don't like being that guy.

Decker:

Um, so I like to research their menu before I go.

Decker:

Mm-hmm.

Decker:

I'll go on untapped and see like, what's, what are people talking about?

Decker:

And uh, and then yeah, if they've got a cison, I'm getting that, no doubt.

Decker:

Then it's probably an IPA if it's a, if they've got a West Coast, I'm gonna go with that one first and then go Cool into like the, the hazier stuff.

Decker:

West Coast is like my wheelhouse where

Allison Fleshmsn:

I like, can I, so what was the first beard that you had of ours?

Decker:

The first beer of yours is actually the tall mast, which I was bummed that wasn't on the, the, the tap list.

Allison Fleshmsn:

I almost posted that on social.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Then I realized that it wasn't on tap.

Allison Fleshmsn:

I was gonna be like, oh, come in with Tall

Bobby Fleshman:

Ma

Allison Fleshmsn:

today.

Allison Fleshmsn:

It's

Bobby Fleshman:

a Monday.

Bobby Fleshman:

Yay.

Bobby Fleshman:

It's, you know, our little wheel.

Bobby Fleshman:

It's gonna now stay day since tall, tall mast.

Bobby Fleshman:

Oh no.

Bobby Fleshman:

Yeah, that's gonna happen.

Decker:

But yeah, tall mast is the first one I had.

Decker:

And then me and my wife, we go to the plays over at the PACA lot.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

And so you have the Pirates Cove over there.

Decker:

Mm-hmm.

Decker:

Mm-hmm.

Decker:

So we had.

Decker:

Way too many of those.

Decker:

Ah, that's fair.

Decker:

Before a number of plays.

Decker:

But yeah.

Decker:

And that was what was exciting and why, like today is the first time I've had alter ego, which you've had on tap for a while.

Decker:

Mm-hmm.

Decker:

Yeah.

Bobby Fleshman:

Couple year, three years, maybe four at this point.

Decker:

But I've been like really against trying it.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

Because you guys have been like so like steadfast on Right.

Decker:

We are the British Traditional.

Decker:

We're traditional.

Bobby Fleshman:

Yeah.

Decker:

Um,

Bobby Fleshman:

turns out we like to play.

Decker:

You do.

Decker:

And I love that.

Decker:

And like another thing that like music and beer that goes together.

Decker:

Like I actually came here with a band, the band Trivium.

Decker:

Oh yeah.

Decker:

Um, because, uh, they were like a couple of years ago, they were playing and they're.

Decker:

They made a

Bobby Fleshman:

video while they were here.

Bobby Fleshman:

Yeah,

Allison Fleshmsn:

sure

Decker:

did.

Decker:

Oh yeah.

Decker:

That

Allison Fleshmsn:

beer, yeah, that band

Decker:

I remember.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Cool.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

And, uh, I was talking to 'em about like travel, like, 'cause they've gone all across the world from Japan to Alaska, like, and everywhere from the other way around.

Decker:

Like they've been everywhere.

Decker:

And I've talked to 'em about like, Hey, what's the, um, you know, where do you like, what do you like to do when you're on these tours?

Decker:

And most bands don't have a lot of time, but these guys worked it out that they do.

Decker:

And so they go, um, in, when they're in Europe, they're like, like to explore the old breweries and wineries around.

Decker:

And, um, and I was like, okay, well let, we gotta go here then, because this is the place that has the, like the European, the like style on style that you're looking for for beer.

Decker:

And we came here and, uh, me and Matt Hafe, the leads here, were talking about our love of pilsners.

Decker:

And we're like, oh, which one's better?

Decker:

Czech or German?

Decker:

And then it got really nerdy.

Decker:

Uh, wow.

Decker:

And then, uh, Bobby came in midway through.

Decker:

Those guys were, by the way, they were only supposed to be there for like.

Decker:

Two beers.

Decker:

So like 30 minutes was the max that they had.

Decker:

I remember that allotted for it.

Decker:

And we were here for like 90 minutes.

Decker:

Oh, that's fun.

Decker:

And he tapped the Bavarian Hef for us.

Decker:

Nice.

Decker:

Um, and he was like, I know this is coming out whenever, but you guys, you gotta try it.

Decker:

And it was the best Hef had these guys had ever had.

Decker:

They would not shut up about it.

Decker:

And Oh, bless their

Allison Fleshmsn:

hearts.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

And then they came back like two years later and um, I was talking to him and he goes, Hey, did you bring any of that, uh, that beer this time?

Decker:

And I was like, oh, I didn't know what you guys wanted.

Decker:

Like, oh,

Bobby Fleshman:

well just let us know.

Decker:

So we'll take it.

Decker:

Happen.

Decker:

Like it.

Decker:

But like, that's the type of thing that you travel with beer, like these guys travel the world and then they bring their stories and then you can have it here.

Decker:

But I love that you can travel through a class 'cause you can, you can totally travel through a class.

Decker:

Can, um, like you guys talk about your trip to the UK for that same as Smith Yeah.

Decker:

Caster.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

Tag caster.

Decker:

I've never been there.

Decker:

But I've had a public house pint.

Decker:

Yes.

Decker:

So I feel like I have Yeah.

Bobby Fleshman:

Watch, watch us send people there and they're all gonna discover that it's really, really small.

Bobby Fleshman:

It is exactly what we say it is.

Bobby Fleshman:

It's

Bobby Fleshman:

8,000 people.

Bobby Fleshman:

That lady is gonna be, she's like, why

Allison Fleshmsn:

are these people sending tourists to us?

Allison Fleshmsn:

But that

Decker:

would be so cool.

Bobby Fleshman:

That would be the coolest trip.

Bobby Fleshman:

Amazing.

Bobby Fleshman:

It's amazing

Allison Fleshmsn:

the look on that lady's face.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Why are you here?

Allison Fleshmsn:

It was so great.

Decker:

But that would be like a, a fun way to explore the world, you know?

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

Is to like, to go and, and do like they do in Belgium, the tour to get ERs, I don't know how to pronounce that right.

Decker:

Um, where you like ride a bike between all these different, uh, lambic brewery.

Decker:

It

Allison Fleshmsn:

sounds really, we did that in Alaska on our honeymoon.

Allison Fleshmsn:

And I didn't realize Love that.

Allison Fleshmsn:

That we was like bike and bruise and I didn't, I was the last one of the pack, so the bear would've gotten me.

Allison Fleshmsn:

But that's a good place to be.

Allison Fleshmsn:

But Bobby was like, I promise you there's a brewery, but we didn't know which brewery.

Allison Fleshmsn:

And so when we turned the corner and I realized it was Alaskan Brewing Company, I was like, it was like Mecca.

Allison Fleshmsn:

It was so amazing.

Allison Fleshmsn:

And it was

Bobby Fleshman:

even big then.

Bobby Fleshman:

Yeah, yeah.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Yeah.

Allison Fleshmsn:

That's

Bobby Fleshman:

already big.

Allison Fleshmsn:

I didn't rea I thought it was gonna a small Did you, when did you get

Decker:

married?

Allison Fleshmsn:

That was oh six, 20 years ago.

Allison Fleshmsn:

20

Decker:

years.

Decker:

20 years.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Oh, I know.

Decker:

Congratulations.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Well, that's, it seems to be going

Gary Arndt:

okay.

Gary Arndt:

A brewery was not in the vows.

Allison Fleshmsn:

No, it wasn't.

Gary Arndt:

I bet not.

Bobby Fleshman:

Actually, that was the year that I started brewing, I think.

Bobby Fleshman:

Or oh five.

Allison Fleshmsn:

It wa No, it was 2006.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Okay.

Allison Fleshmsn:

We need to find that video of you five.

Allison Fleshmsn:

I

Bobby Fleshman:

think up the first five because I was doing it with our friends, Larry and, uh, Darren.

Bobby Fleshman:

It was the Serbian.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Oh.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Uh, a Serbian.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Oh God.

Bobby Fleshman:

Oh, of course.

Bobby Fleshman:

Every brewing story starts with a Serbian.

Bobby Fleshman:

I don't named Darko, of course.

Bobby Fleshman:

I'm sure.

Bobby Fleshman:

More vodka.

Bobby Fleshman:

But anyway.

Decker:

What was the first beer that you made?

Bobby Fleshman:

It was a dortmund and I, I have never brewed another Dortmund.

Allison Fleshmsn:

I know, but, 'cause you messed that one up started so bad.

Allison Fleshmsn:

You started with Dortmund?

Bobby Fleshman:

Yeah.

Bobby Fleshman:

Wow.

Bobby Fleshman:

I know.

Bobby Fleshman:

So that's insane.

Bobby Fleshman:

I gotta go back.

Bobby Fleshman:

That's the one that I really fucked up.

Bobby Fleshman:

That's the one I left half the sugar out

Allison Fleshmsn:

Make man.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Yeah, he, he got done, he videoed malt, reported himself brewing it, and then at the end of it he found another bag of malt.

Bobby Fleshman:

Oh God.

Bobby Fleshman:

There's a video.

Bobby Fleshman:

There's evidence of this.

Decker:

That's what the joys of home brewing.

Bobby Fleshman:

I,

Decker:

I won brew.

Bobby Fleshman:

And

Decker:

it

Bobby Fleshman:

is,

Decker:

it is an adventure.

Decker:

But

Allison Fleshmsn:

the bag that you documented it is just even more

Bobby Fleshman:

hysteric.

Bobby Fleshman:

Oh.

Bobby Fleshman:

Because I knew I wasn't gonna be able to write down, I didn't know what I was doing.

Bobby Fleshman:

That's true.

Bobby Fleshman:

So this all

Decker:

video.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Yeah,

Bobby Fleshman:

I have digital, but we don't,

Allison Fleshmsn:

it's

Bobby Fleshman:

on a little recording thing ca

Allison Fleshmsn:

thing.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Oh.

Allison Fleshmsn:

I should find media people

Bobby Fleshman:

that could like digitize things.

Bobby Fleshman:

Us only one who transfer that digital.

Bobby Fleshman:

That's awesome.

Bobby Fleshman:

No, we don't need to see that.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Anyway.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Um,

Bobby Fleshman:

it'll show up.

Bobby Fleshman:

I know David wants it for the Uber premium.

Bobby Fleshman:

People that follow us back.

Allison Fleshmsn:

I forgot what we were talking about.

Bobby Fleshman:

Travel.

Bobby Fleshman:

And beer.

Allison Fleshmsn:

And beer.

Bobby Fleshman:

Travel and beer.

Bobby Fleshman:

Yes.

Bobby Fleshman:

I I'm gonna throw a couple of, I'm gonna, I'm gonna prompt you here.

Bobby Fleshman:

What's this story?

Bobby Fleshman:

No, you're not gonna get in trouble.

Bobby Fleshman:

No one's listening.

Bobby Fleshman:

This story about Russian River and slash Was it slash

Decker:

Yeah, it was slash

Bobby Fleshman:

Okay.

Decker:

So, and Queens of Stone Age.

Decker:

Oh yeah.

Decker:

We'll add onto that.

Decker:

Um, so in the summer or fall of 2023, my wife and I went to Aftershock Festival in Sacramento, California.

Decker:

Uh, it was a beautiful festival, had a great time.

Decker:

But the Sunday I was, we had to leave the next day and the last day of the festival had Queens of the Stone Age, guns N Roses, and a couple of other bands at like.

Decker:

We're pretty big at the time.

Decker:

And, um, but my buddy lives in Santa Rosa and he was like, Hey, I couldn't get us a table at Russian River if you can make it out here by like two in the afternoon.

Decker:

And I was like, without even thinking.

Decker:

I was like, yeah, absolutely.

Decker:

We're going there.

Decker:

Absolutely.

Decker:

And um, that morning I had to go in and inter do an interview and I had a guy come up to me from the festival was like, Hey, um, I just got a word from slash and he's doing five interviews today.

Decker:

Do you, do you want one?

Decker:

And I was like, no, I do not.

Decker:

And they're like, you're gonna go on slash is tour bus and you can go and talk to him about Guns N Roses, velvet revolver, anything.

Decker:

And I'm like, nah man, I gotta go to Russian River.

Decker:

And, uh, the, he was like, um, okay, cool.

Decker:

And I was like, yeah, I was, I'll talk to slash again, it'll be fine.

Decker:

And then I like turned around and started walking out and this other guy came up to me and he's like, Hey, hey, hey, um, Josh homey.

Decker:

Queens of the Stone Age.

Decker:

He's got a couple of openings this afternoon before they take the stage.

Decker:

Will do you wanna talk to Josh Homey of Queens of the Stone Age?

Decker:

And I was like, no, I'm going to Russian River and I'm gonna drink Pliny the Elder outta the tap, and it is going to be the greatest day of my life.

Decker:

And it was.

Bobby Fleshman:

And I, I think, I think that's actually quite metal at the end of the day.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Yeah.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Well, but also I think that it made the beer taste that much better because you knew what you were giving up.

Decker:

Do you know how good that beer was?

Decker:

Right, right.

Decker:

That that is,

Allison Fleshmsn:

I mean, yes.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Yeah.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Yeah.

Allison Fleshmsn:

And yes, that was like, and I don't like IPAs, but damn, do I like Pliny?

Allison Fleshmsn:

Mm-hmm.

Allison Fleshmsn:

In California.

Gary Arndt:

So in terms of opportunity cost, that was a

Bobby Fleshman:

very expensive beer.

Decker:

Oh yeah.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

That was like a, that was a once in a lifetime beer.

Decker:

Absolutely.

Decker:

I'm never gonna have those opportunities again.

Gary Arndt:

This

Bobby Fleshman:

is a slash beer.

Bobby Fleshman:

I don't know how David's gonna sequence this release, but this'll be great to bring up when we.

Bobby Fleshman:

Have you heard?

Bobby Fleshman:

We're interviewing Vinny.

Decker:

Oh, yeah, yeah,

Bobby Fleshman:

yeah.

Bobby Fleshman:

I heard in a couple of weeks.

Decker:

That's awesome.

Bobby Fleshman:

Yeah.

Bobby Fleshman:

So this will be great to bring,

Decker:

bring up, bring up that, did that

Bobby Fleshman:

bring that point that he was, he was picked over slash

Decker:

He was, yeah.

Decker:

Like without even a second thought.

Decker:

Like I, he immediate I was, yeah.

Decker:

We're going there.

Decker:

And I also paid my buddy like a hundred bucks to wait in line to get plenty.

Decker:

The younger mm-hmm.

Bobby Fleshman:

Younger, which

Decker:

also is being which

Bobby Fleshman:

rude, which or are released on the day that we're recording with Vinny.

Decker:

Oh my

Bobby Fleshman:

God.

Bobby Fleshman:

So he's gonna be super amped

Decker:

during that recording or really hammered

Bobby Fleshman:

Yeah.

Bobby Fleshman:

On the, but on the production side side, Pacific Pacific time.

Bobby Fleshman:

So we're probably getting

Allison Fleshmsn:

him earlier.

Decker:

Oh sure.

Decker:

Yeah, yeah.

Decker:

No, that was, um, yeah, going to Russian River was a hell of an adventure.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

Um, you know, driving through wine country at like a hundred miles an hour so we could get there.

Decker:

Yep.

Decker:

Like when our reservation was and,

Decker:

and it was so worth it.

Decker:

They, and we got, we had plenty, I had too many Pliny the elders and then.

Decker:

They had a hazy that my buddy was like, you gotta try it.

Decker:

And it was like, unbelievable.

Decker:

But they also had a triple on tap that like put me over the edge and I, I fell asleep in the backseat of the car.

Decker:

God bless my wife for getting us back to our hotel.

Decker:

Yep.

Decker:

But yeah, every beer that I had, and I had many was like, so good.

Decker:

And it was also because we had gone through like, such an adventure to get there.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Mm-hmm.

Decker:

Um, yeah, definitely.

Decker:

Like, would I turn down interviewing slash right now to go to another brewery?

Decker:

Uh, maybe if I was in like Europe and I, it was like, Hey, do you want to go to, if it's like in the check?

Decker:

And I'm like, do you, oh my god.

Decker:

Pills or quell or you're thinking wrong.

Decker:

What you do

Gary Arndt:

is you take slash to the brewer.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Right?

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

That's true.

Decker:

Take Slash with you.

Decker:

That's the, that's the idea next time.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

Bands love being at breweries.

Decker:

Because they can, you know, drink beer and talk about their music.

Decker:

Hell yeah.

Decker:

Right?

Decker:

Sign me up for that.

Gary Arndt:

By the way, I just came up with the, uh, idea for A-W-A-P-L, MACLE Men's Collaboration.

Bobby Fleshman:

Oh,

Decker:

please do.

Decker:

Oh

Bobby Fleshman:

boy.

Bobby Fleshman:

I'm running out Paper

Gary Arndt:

1 0 5 4 7.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Ah,

Gary Arndt:

oh my

Decker:

God.

Decker:

Oh, there we go.

Decker:

Oh my God.

Decker:

I love that actually, because 5 47 is my all time favorite beer from you guys.

Decker:

Yay.

Decker:

I'm not drinking it tonight because I want to not slur my words.

Decker:

Too bad.

Bobby Fleshman:

Bad.

Bobby Fleshman:

What if I told you that it was coming out of the tank today?

Decker:

Fine.

Bobby Fleshman:

I'll

Decker:

have one

Bobby Fleshman:

before we leave that fresh.

Bobby Fleshman:

Okay.

Bobby Fleshman:

Like, literally, I can pull it outta the tank at this minute.

Allison Fleshmsn:

No, you can't because that's before the tax determination

Bobby Fleshman:

point.

Bobby Fleshman:

We have to, we'll, tell the feds that we took one

Gary Arndt:

pint.

Decker:

It's okay.

Decker:

I'm, I'm so excited for a 5 47 day we're gonna be here.

Decker:

I know that

Gary Arndt:

this was a thing until 10 seconds ago, and it's another reason I'm glad I'm not in your business.

Gary Arndt:

That you about legal.

Gary Arndt:

You

Allison Fleshmsn:

gotta worry about that stuff.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Yeah.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Yes.

Gary Arndt:

This is why we leave sleep.

Gary Arndt:

Let's, let's not do the episode on how we do reporting with all the

Bobby Fleshman:

air you wanna talk about.

Allison Fleshmsn:

It's fine.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Blue N SF is, well actually no TTB iss worse than NSF, National Science Foundation.

Bobby Fleshman:

Just nice.

Bobby Fleshman:

They just want the money.

Bobby Fleshman:

Just pay 'em and then they'll go away.

Bobby Fleshman:

I'm writing that down, Gary.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Just pay 'em and they'll go away.

Decker:

1 0 5 4 7 1 0 5 7 WAPL.

Decker:

The Rocking Apple turns 50 years old in 2027, so next year commemorative beer.

Decker:

We might have to, uh, to hit you up about that, we did

Allison Fleshmsn:

a comm commemorate beer for the hundred 50th of the Fox City's Chamber of Commerce.

Bobby Fleshman:

Who,

Bobby Fleshman:

what

Bobby Fleshman:

kind of beer was that?

Bobby Fleshman:

Or 50th?

Bobby Fleshman:

It was just to be lagger, but they, uh, won the best chamber, the nation, the Chamber of the year in the nation, and they made us fly the beer into Houston so they could just crack it at their big party going down.

Bobby Fleshman:

So let's, yeah, that's a whole thing.

Bobby Fleshman:

It, it wasn't as metal as not seeing slash to go see Russian River, but

Allison Fleshmsn:

I don't think anything can top that story.

Decker:

That was, that was pretty metal moment.

Decker:

But that's like how I like to travel and my, my wife tags along with us on that.

Decker:

And, um, we travel for shows because.

Decker:

Vastly different music tastes, but thank God for music festivals.

Decker:

So we're able to go to things.

Decker:

So like, um, she can go and see like the poppy punk type of thing and I can see some death metal and bang my head on that.

Decker:

And it's, um, so we, we try to travel for music and then within that we travel for like the food, because that's how you taste the, that's how you go around the world Yeah.

Decker:

Is like eating and drinking your way.

Decker:

And so, that's why, yeah, like we went down to the for Keys and I turned, we like, my, my family was like, oh, we're going to this place.

Decker:

And I'm like, no, we're not.

Decker:

We're going to this place.

Decker:

'cause they have main beer company on tap and it's five bucks.

Decker:

So we're doing that.

Decker:

There you

Bobby Fleshman:

go.

Bobby Fleshman:

Oh, the minimalist label people, right?

Bobby Fleshman:

Oh yeah.

Bobby Fleshman:

Are they lunch?

Decker:

Yeah, they did lunch and I don't know what the other ones are, but they had lunch on tap for five bucks.

Decker:

And I was like, no, no, no.

Decker:

We gotta go here guys.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

This is the best place.

Bobby Fleshman:

That's awesome.

Bobby Fleshman:

Also, David, David's a food guy, foodie, he writes about blogs about.

Allison Fleshmsn:

David, our producer, we have dearly, yeah,

Allison Fleshmsn:

David.

Bobby Fleshman:

So all this

Decker:

stuff, and it looked like he's a metal guy.

Decker:

'cause he kept giving me the horns.

Decker:

What's your band four today?

Decker:

You ever heard of them?

Decker:

For today?

Decker:

Wow.

Decker:

I haven't heard four today in a long time.

Decker:

That's awesome.

Decker:

No, he's

Gary Arndt:

just a Texas longhorn.

Bobby Fleshman:

I was gonna say, is that

Decker:

Longhorn horns?

Decker:

Are we doing, are we Oklahoma?

Decker:

'cause it's down.

Decker:

It's down, man.

Decker:

We'll get in trouble for that, but, all right.

Decker:

For today, I'll,

Bobby Fleshman:

what's the Aggie one?

Bobby Fleshman:

What's that?

Allison Fleshmsn:

Gig?

Bobby Fleshman:

Gig?

Bobby Fleshman:

Yeah, it's like a little gun.

Bobby Fleshman:

We're way off topic now.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Gig Aggies.

Gary Arndt:

I do a, I, I have, I'm, I have a podcast.

Gary Arndt:

That's what I do.

Gary Arndt:

Mm-hmm.

Gary Arndt:

And every day month I do a question to answer episode.

Gary Arndt:

And one of my questions this month was, do I listen to Heavy Metal?

Gary Arndt:

And the answer is no.

Gary Arndt:

I'm not really a heavy metal guy, but I do have one favorite band, Rhapsody of Fire, because like 20 years ago, I fell asleep on my couch and I woke up and there was this music video playing and it was a skull that was on fire.

Gary Arndt:

And then Christopher Lee, who was.

Gary Arndt:

Saw Ron and Lord of the Rings was singing and I was like.

Gary Arndt:

This is awesome.

Gary Arndt:

And the band was Rly on Fire.

Gary Arndt:

They're an Italian symphonic metal band.

Bobby Fleshman:

I, I think our friend Jason Minnesota introduced me to them at one point.

Bobby Fleshman:

Jason Venish?

Bobby Fleshman:

Yes.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

Christopher Lee, the most metal actor of all time.

Decker:

He's amazing.

Decker:

May rest in peace or fire wherever he chooses.

Decker:

But uh, yeah, his death metal albums are great.

Decker:

He did a Christmas medal album, a couple, well, like a few years before passed away.

Allison Fleshmsn:

You're not kidding.

Allison Fleshmsn:

He was actually like death metal

Decker:

person.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

Like what I would say like more, not maybe death metal, but like metal maybe like Iron Man type metal power metal type

Gary Arndt:

of thing.

Gary Arndt:

I know this group came to him and they were like, we need someone to like do the narration mm-hmm.

Gary Arndt:

And sing for this.

Gary Arndt:

And they want someone like classically trained.

Gary Arndt:

Mm-hmm.

Gary Arndt:

So they got him to do it.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Wow.

Gary Arndt:

And

Decker:

it's great.

Decker:

It's very, very great.

Decker:

Uh, and Christopher Lee, very metal as just a human being, you know, telling how the, what it sounds like when you stab a guy in the back, I mean, that's pretty.

Decker:

Freaking cool.

Decker:

I mean, it's not cool to get stabbed in the back, but the fact that he was in World War I and did all that stuff, or World War two, which whatever one it was, it's pretty neat.

Allison Fleshmsn:

So Bobby, I have a question for you.

Allison Fleshmsn:

In talking about how metal some actor could be in terms of his meddling ways, is there an equivalent in brewing?

Allison Fleshmsn:

Like how, yeah.

Allison Fleshmsn:

What's the word of how this you could be as a brewer, like we're talking about Vinny so Vinny Zo Zo, did I say his

Bobby Fleshman:

name?

Bobby Fleshman:

Yeah.

Bobby Fleshman:

I, I, Zo

Allison Fleshmsn:

Zo,

Bobby Fleshman:

yeah.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Uh, Russian River Brewing Company.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Like he's on everyone, or should be on everyone's Mount Evert.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Uh, Mount Everest.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Good god.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Mount Rushmore.

Decker:

He's on the Mount.

Decker:

He's dead.

Decker:

People.

Decker:

We're gonna abandon him.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Get up there.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Not Everest.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Dead people

Decker:

find him frozen.

Decker:

Just carry

Bobby Fleshman:

though.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Anyway, but like, so we, so we know, but is there like a, a description to say like, you know, that so beyond like Yeah.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Like, or

Bobby Fleshman:

that's another trajectory

Allison Fleshmsn:

or like, the level of this

Bobby Fleshman:

Well, I will say this, it is, it has to be Sam Calzone

Allison Fleshmsn:

Yes.

Bobby Fleshman:

From Dogfish Head.

Bobby Fleshman:

But what

Bobby Fleshman:

is,

Allison Fleshmsn:

what's the word?

Bobby Fleshman:

It doesn't, I don't know.

Bobby Fleshman:

Is there a word?

Bobby Fleshman:

I don't know if there's a word.

Bobby Fleshman:

I mean, you can still say metal.

Bobby Fleshman:

I think it still works.

Decker:

Metal does Transcend Does it just music?

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

I mean, yeah.

Decker:

Anything could be metal.

Decker:

Yeah,

Allison Fleshmsn:

I guess that's true.

Decker:

If it makes you wanna like, get up and do something that's metal.

Decker:

If it makes you feel more alive than you felt in months, that's metal man.

Bobby Fleshman:

I, I think that still works.

Bobby Fleshman:

And I would put Dogfish head on the top five of that.

Bobby Fleshman:

Yeah, that's fair.

Bobby Fleshman:

There's a lot more.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Cool.

Bobby Fleshman:

Yeah.

Bobby Fleshman:

But Vinny, you know, Vinny's just beyond he, he transcends.

Bobby Fleshman:

Cool.

Bobby Fleshman:

Well, he's

Allison Fleshmsn:

clever.

Allison Fleshmsn:

That's, I think that's the kicker, like the things that he did with the Sour program.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Like when we were at Russian River, I think we just had the flight of all of the Asians.

Allison Fleshmsn:

So it was like consecration, damnation, everything.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Ification.

Allison Fleshmsn:

The beautification.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Yeah.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Can

Gary Arndt:

I make a suggestion?

Decker:

Uhoh,

Gary Arndt:

when we interview Vinny have Decker.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Ooh.

Decker:

Ooh.

Decker:

We can talk, I could talk about his, uh, that's actually pretty

Allison Fleshmsn:

good.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Oh my God.

Allison Fleshmsn:

You can tell him directly your slash story.

Decker:

Yes.

Decker:

I be like, you are the reason why I will never meet slash

Bobby Fleshman:

this is, this is easy for

Decker:

it.

Bobby Fleshman:

So, so we just interviewed hundred percent interviewed, uh, Ken Grossman a little while ago.

Bobby Fleshman:

Yep.

Bobby Fleshman:

And Joel had a story about how he didn't get to meet.

Bobby Fleshman:

Or go to Russian River because they were closed very much like Sierra Nevada.

Bobby Fleshman:

Oh, sorry.

Bobby Fleshman:

Uh, be Sierra Nevada.

Bobby Fleshman:

Very much like, uh, vacation when he has to punch a, it was Wally World.

Bobby Fleshman:

It really was like the

Decker:

moose out

Bobby Fleshman:

should sold.

Bobby Fleshman:

So this is kind of like that, but opposite.

Bobby Fleshman:

So he's actually did,

Allison Fleshmsn:

oh my God.

Allison Fleshmsn:

You totally should join us for the whole story.

Decker:

Would

Allison Fleshmsn:

love.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Yeah.

Decker:

I, I love And the sour program that he is had, I love that entire, like I know nothing about science.

Decker:

I went to college to be an aquatic biologist.

Decker:

Failed miserably.

Decker:

Turns out you had to go to like three classes.

Decker:

I was not going to, that is why I'm in radio.

Decker:

And, but I love the idea and the artistry that goes into a sour program like that.

Decker:

Uh, the Flanders red that you had, that thing is crazy.

Bobby Fleshman:

I almost pulled a sample before we started.

Decker:

I have no idea.

Decker:

Wish you would, how any of that works.

Decker:

None.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Science.

Decker:

Science, but like.

Decker:

This is like ancient science that like you can eat and I think that's just so cool.

Allison Fleshmsn:

But actually the sour one though, that's more like the, what humans stumbled across.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Like it was more, would you say that the sour beers are discovered or invented?

Bobby Fleshman:

Well, okay.

Bobby Fleshman:

So everything was, that was edible was soured or salty.

Bobby Fleshman:

Uh, this, so it could be preserved over time.

Bobby Fleshman:

Uh, I think that beer, if you didn't want it to be sour, you drink it f fresh before we understood microbiology, but now we do it because it, we tastes good.

Bobby Fleshman:

We like it.

Bobby Fleshman:

We have to train ourselves though we do with bitter things too.

Bobby Fleshman:

We have to sort of get into it.

Bobby Fleshman:

But it won't kill you.

Gary Arndt:

We've been doing this podcast two years and I'm still finding stuff about how he's making beer.

Gary Arndt:

Mm-hmm.

Gary Arndt:

Like I I, you'll just mention something like, I didn't know you'd do that.

Gary Arndt:

Right.

Allison Fleshmsn:

It's 'cause we suck at advertising.

Gary Arndt:

Oh.

Gary Arndt:

But yeah.

Gary Arndt:

So I was thinking about this the last episode we talked about, like we did the year in review.

Gary Arndt:

You guys said, I'm bad at business.

Gary Arndt:

I spent too much money on ingredients.

Gary Arndt:

You know, you can justify the ingredients cost.

Gary Arndt:

Just tell people what your ingredients are.

Allison Fleshmsn:

No, that's true.

Decker:

That's

Gary Arndt:

it.

Decker:

But that's like the secret recipe, man.

Decker:

Like,

Bobby Fleshman:

I mean, I don't mind giving the recipe.

Bobby Fleshman:

We've talked about this a few times

Gary Arndt:

that, but it's not the recipe, it's the ingredients.

Gary Arndt:

That's true.

Gary Arndt:

Fundamentally, ingredients to all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun.

Gary Arndt:

You do that at home, you are not gonna get a Big Mac.

Allison Fleshmsn:

That's true.

Bobby Fleshman:

True story.

Allison Fleshmsn:

It's gonna taste better than a Big Mac probably at home.

Bobby Fleshman:

Alright,

Gary Arndt:

well, yeah, but what's a special sauce?

Gary Arndt:

Think about that.

Gary Arndt:

I

Allison Fleshmsn:

think that's Thousand

Bobby Fleshman:

Island.

Allison Fleshmsn:

It totally was.

Allison Fleshmsn:

If we could have like a, a. A, a pie chart or like a beer chart of like what percentage goes into the ingredients of what you're like most.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Your juice.

Allison Fleshmsn:

It's the

Bobby Fleshman:

Pacman

Allison Fleshmsn:

you're spending the money on our,

Bobby Fleshman:

the mouth is the marketing

Allison Fleshmsn:

people and our ingredients.

Allison Fleshmsn:

'cause we don't have have any marketing budget

Bobby Fleshman:

and it's the other way around.

Bobby Fleshman:

I gets the big boys Pacman is the marketing.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Clydesdale horses are expensive.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Oh,

Bobby Fleshman:

let's totally get the little, the little, uh,

Bobby Fleshman:

with shire horses especially.

Bobby Fleshman:

Are you Chaplin

Allison Fleshmsn:

ponies?

Bobby Fleshman:

Yeah.

Bobby Fleshman:

So what we should do is put, they should all be unicorns.

Bobby Fleshman:

That should be our brand.

Bobby Fleshman:

It's a little spin on tradition.

Bobby Fleshman:

Are you high?

Decker:

Definitely.

Decker:

Real things that

Bobby Fleshman:

can happen.

Bobby Fleshman:

No, I just have access unicorns right now.

Decker:

Stumbled across some unicorns.

Decker:

Way back I making is

Bobby Fleshman:

what I have.

Decker:

So

Bobby Fleshman:

Yeah.

Decker:

It's what you gotta that, that's what, uh, what great artists do you make great art with what you're you have, and this this case, it's unicorns.

Allison Fleshmsn:

So was about say if you've stumbled upon unicorns, I have an idea.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Let's sell the unicorns.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Yeah.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Right.

Bobby Fleshman:

No, our farmer that takes our grain.

Bobby Fleshman:

We ask if if we could use his little horses.

Bobby Fleshman:

Turns out he is got little horses and then I asked him if they could be a unicorn.

Bobby Fleshman:

He says Totally.

Bobby Fleshman:

That's just an upcharge apparently.

Bobby Fleshman:

It's a thing that happens all the time.

Gary Arndt:

Oh, alright.

Gary Arndt:

So as we wrap this up, let's say you've been wrongly convicted of murder.

Gary Arndt:

Mm-hmm.

Gary Arndt:

In a state that has the death penalty, you're on death row and your last thing, someone says, you get four beers.

Decker:

Four.

Gary Arndt:

Any four beers in the world, they gotta be different.

Gary Arndt:

Wow.

Gary Arndt:

Okay.

Gary Arndt:

What do you pick,

Decker:

um, before I die for being wrong?

Decker:

Obviously wrongfully, of course, that sense, convicted of that.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

Man, that is an impossible question.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Wait, what size are the samples?

Allison Fleshmsn:

Are they like little ones or big one

Decker:

ones?

Decker:

Are they full beers?

Decker:

A

Allison Fleshmsn:

Pint.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Pint.

Decker:

Okay, fine.

Allison Fleshmsn:

That makes a difference.

Decker:

It does, it does.

Decker:

A British pint,

Gary Arndt:

non-American pint.

Decker:

A little good for you.

Decker:

I do appreciate a good you know, British Pint, I got really big hands, so like holding the bigger pint class makes me feel less like Andre the Giant.

Decker:

So I appreciate having those.

Bobby Fleshman:

Then they have like the line for the, this is where that pint ends so you can pour foam on top.

Bobby Fleshman:

It is not true that they don't like foam.

Bobby Fleshman:

We're not gonna go off in that soapbox right now, but

Decker:

before

Allison Fleshmsn:

death row beers go,

Decker:

oh my God.

Decker:

Like, these questions are my absolute nightmare because everything in my life changes so fast.

Decker:

Like asking my favorite band today, it was masted on tomorrow.

Decker:

It could have been like a different ban.

Decker:

Well then, then maybe it'll change, but

Allison Fleshmsn:

yeah.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Well then you have the order also in which you have it because then you've got your last beer within your top four.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Oh my gosh.

Allison Fleshmsn:

That's

Decker:

weird.

Decker:

Okay, so, okay, here we go.

Decker:

I would go with, liny, the elder will kick me off and then I need something Belgian.

Decker:

And so I will go with a triple and it will be from St.

Decker:

Bernard's.

Decker:

Good stuff.

Bobby Fleshman:

Yeah,

Decker:

that's a

Bobby Fleshman:

good one.

Decker:

And then I will need a nap and then I will wake up and have a uh oh man.

Decker:

A Cison DuPont because yes, I love Cezannes.

Allison Fleshmsn:

So good.

Decker:

And you guys need to make a farmhouse cison like they do right now,

Bobby Fleshman:

uh, we've done a session we've never done, uh, like a full strength farmhouse.

Bobby Fleshman:

What was our

Allison Fleshmsn:

called?

Allison Fleshmsn:

God, what was

Bobby Fleshman:

that called?

Bobby Fleshman:

We did do one.

Bobby Fleshman:

You did one in the

Allison Fleshmsn:

bathroom.

Bobby Fleshman:

You, oh, at home?

Bobby Fleshman:

Yes.

Bobby Fleshman:

No, we've done

Allison Fleshmsn:

one here.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Too weird.

Allison Fleshmsn:

You make it in the bath.

Allison Fleshmsn:

He could make it in the bathroom, but that's 'cause it was the smallest room to have a heater.

Bobby Fleshman:

So Yeah, it's kind like winter.

Bobby Fleshman:

Kinda like the Belgian golden.

Bobby Fleshman:

You have to crank up the house to 90 degrees to fer it out.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Okay.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Cl Anyway.

Allison Fleshmsn:

C on DuPont.

Decker:

Okay.

Decker:

This one's a relatively local, it's a Wisconsin one.

Decker:

I'm sorry, you're not on my death row.

Allison Fleshmsn:

That's okay.

Decker:

Okay.

Decker:

You're a death row.

Decker:

It's sway brewing companies.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

Um, they're, um, up among the clouds.

Decker:

They're whit beer.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Oh, hooray.

Decker:

It is

Allison Fleshmsn:

sway

Decker:

iss

Allison Fleshmsn:

amazing.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

They're

Allison Fleshmsn:

Updo County.

Decker:

When I drink that, I feel like I'm, there's like sitting in a field looking up at the clouds.

Decker:

Oh.

Decker:

And like floating through space on a giant rock.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Well, in death row, you'd need that feeling.

Decker:

I would, yeah.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

I would want, like, every time I have it, a sense of peace comes over me and I just, if I'm gonna die,

Allison Fleshmsn:

that's,

Decker:

that's how I want to go.

Allison Fleshmsn:

So you want two of those?

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

Four pack.

Decker:

At least Next time anyone goes up to Door County, bring me back one.

Decker:

I'm se not die anytime soon though.

Bobby Fleshman:

What a serene vision.

Bobby Fleshman:

Wow.

Bobby Fleshman:

Just before you die, you're, you're gonna have the, these floating through

Allison Fleshmsn:

these stuff.

Allison Fleshmsn:

They have luker faucets that's gonna help too.

Allison Fleshmsn:

They

Bobby Fleshman:

like mm-hmm.

Bobby Fleshman:

All of them are lukers, right?

Allison Fleshmsn:

Yeah.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Sway uses Luker.

Allison Fleshmsn:

F.

Bobby Fleshman:

He'll be here soon.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Is there fourth?

Allison Fleshmsn:

Isn't

Bobby Fleshman:

there four?

Allison Fleshmsn:

Well, I, I made you have two of Swayze.

Decker:

Oh, another.

Decker:

Oh, okay.

Allison Fleshmsn:

Wait, did you not do

Decker:

No, I think, no, I did.

Decker:

That's four because I have the Yeah.

Bobby Fleshman:

Yeah.

Decker:

And, uh, I mean, if we have another one then a 5, 4, 7.

Decker:

There we go.

Decker:

Sleep again.

Decker:

There we go.

Bobby Fleshman:

That's the, the backside.

Bobby Fleshman:

What's it on the backside of?

Bobby Fleshman:

Of Mount Rushmore.

Bobby Fleshman:

What?

Decker:

Oh, like, uh, uh, st what was that?

Decker:

Uh, crazy horse.

Decker:

Crazy horse.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

That's my crazy horse.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

Yeah.

Decker:

It's not finished.

Decker:

Never will be, but unless we'll leave, like,

Bobby Fleshman:

unless we fund it with a beer, we should do that.

Bobby Fleshman:

5 41 0 5 4 7. I like it.

Gary Arndt:

All right, then that'll conclude this episode of Respecting the Beer.

Gary Arndt:

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Gary Arndt:

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Gary Arndt:

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Gary Arndt:

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